state of agentic coding #11: the curiosity test, lisp, and labs that can't fail

people are failing a curiosity test right now. Armin Ronacher and Ben Vinegar had me on State of Agentic Coding to talk about it, along with DHH coming around, durable agents, a Lisp you program by talking to it, and why the labs cannot afford to fail.Ben Vinegar (co-founder of Modem) and Armin Ronacher (Earendil, and the person most people know from Pi) run a podcast called State of Agentic Coding, and I was the guest for episode 11. Ben and I were in the same room in Toronto. I'd landed the day before after 22 hours of flying, I was there for two days, and then I was flying back to Sydney. Armin stayed in Vienna, sensibly.We covered a lot of ground in an hour and a half. Here's the gist, written up properly, with chapter links at the bottom if you want to jump to a specific part of the conversation.DHH did the funeral last week and he's right.the curiosity testBen opened by asking what my contribution to the GDP of AI development has been from Ralph loops. The OpenRouter folks…